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It's November and Christmas is looming ahead of us. However, the fourth Thursday in November is when Americans celebrate Thanksgiving. The American Thanksgiving holiday grew out of various harvest festivals but has come to mean more than just giving thanks for crops. Harvest is still an important festival for Sarah and me, but we have lots of other things to be thankful for and I'm wondering if the UK should mark Thanksgiving and so in lieu of a poll...

1. Should the UK mark Thanksgiving?
2. If so, how should it be marked?
3. When should it be celebrated?
4. What other occasions we should have holidays and celebrations for in the UK?
5. Are you a special snow-flake?
6. Do you like ticky-boxes? [ ]

Date: 2010-11-01 12:16 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-11-01 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liz-lowlife.livejournal.com
1. No!
2. By not happening.
3. See above.
4. We should have more bank holidays when the weather actually has a chance of being nice (June/July.)
5. Yes.
6. Yes.

Date: 2010-11-01 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quercus.livejournal.com
No!

They're giving thanks for a bunch of them having made it to the US and having discovered fried poultry. We're giving thanks for a harvest, and we do that earlier. September or October for harvest festivals, not November. November is for Northern European paganism and sacrificing someone so that the Sun will remember to come back.

Date: 2010-11-01 01:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarah-mum.livejournal.com
So, no to thanksgiving, but YAY! to an anti-Ragnorock-fest?
Sounds cool, throw some more woodward on the fire.

Date: 2010-11-01 12:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eremite.livejournal.com
1) I'm not sure that we have a national thing to be thankful for that isn't already covered, e.g. Remembrance Day.

2) n/a

3) We could have "Don't Let The Door Smack You On The Arse On The Way Out" day in September to celebrate the departure of the Pilgrim Fathers for the Americas: we all head for the nearest beach on a Sunday between 06 and 16 September, wave happily at the horizon for a few minutes, then have a piss-up.

4) David Zindell created the Festival of the Broken Dolls for abandoned AI programs in his fiction. I like the idea of a Festival of Dolls, a happy parade of loved and precious things, from broken down old teddy bears to exquisite china dollies swathed in lace. One proviso - Korean ball-jointed dolls go at the back.

Big Ted and Me

5) Right now, I'm cold enough to be one!

6) [ ]

Date: 2010-11-01 01:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quercus.livejournal.com
If you think ball-jointed Dolfies are scary, how about Heart Robot?

Date: 2010-11-02 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eremite.livejournal.com
I wonder if they'll put a heartlight into it, a la E.T.?

I like the concept, but that picture of it lying over someone's shoulder looks remarkably creepy - like the end of The Omen or something!

Date: 2010-11-01 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inulro.livejournal.com
I could get behind no. 3.

Date: 2010-11-01 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darth-tigger.livejournal.com
I like number 3!

Date: 2010-11-02 09:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whotheheckami.livejournal.com
Number 3 is brilliant and could easilly be a Harvest/Thanksgiving as well

Date: 2010-11-01 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inulro.livejournal.com
Canadians celebrate Thanksgiving on the first Monday in October, which I think is more sensible - it's much more in line with actual harvest times (by the end of November most of Canada is knee-deep in snow!).

I always have intentions of having a big Canadian Thanksgiving dinner at mine, but that would involve a) organisation and b) cooking, neither of which is an activity I'm any good at.

Date: 2010-11-02 09:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whotheheckami.livejournal.com
I would love to see Harvest made a more secular event in the UK and become both a celebration of Thanks for all sorts of things as well as awareness of life - I would favour a bank holiday on a Friday toward the end of September when there's a reasonable chance of some fine weather.

Date: 2010-11-01 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moral-vacuum.livejournal.com
You may wish to note that Margaret Thatcher resigned on Thanksgiving.

Date: 2010-11-02 09:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whotheheckami.livejournal.com
I fear that many of our aquaintances are looking forward to another day to celebrate something about Baroness Thatcher - bloody ghouls!

Date: 2010-11-01 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siani-hedgehog.livejournal.com
1. Should the UK mark Thanksgiving?
i'd like a harvest festival. and thankfulness comes naturally with that kind of celebration, so i'd be okay with it,

2. If so, how should it be marked?
EATING. ALL FESTIVALS MEAN FEASTING.

3. When should it be celebrated?
i'm seconding inulro on the canadian date being more sensible. the US one makes sense in the southern US, i guess, but it is too late for a UK thanksgiving. i like my festivals to be seasonal, and the canadian date is really good for a nice feast of autumn food.

4. What other occasions we should have holidays and celebrations for in the UK?
i want a midsummer one in the swedish style, with an all night party on the shortest night, with lanterns and outdoor food, and staying up until it's light again.

Date: 2010-11-01 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarah-mum.livejournal.com
Yup, I'm in agreement with most of this, especially 4.
Although I'm also very much with Mr Red in that we should make our own ceremonies and celebrations.

Date: 2010-11-02 09:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whotheheckami.livejournal.com
I love the idea of a midsummer night's festival. Perhaps we should corodinate calendars now?

Date: 2010-11-03 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siani-hedgehog.livejournal.com
shall i mark up the weekend of the 25th june? that seems to be the one the swedes are doing... :)

Date: 2010-11-03 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whotheheckami.livejournal.com
Unfortunately, we'll almost certainly be strutting our stuff in a foeld in Wiltshire - we're workng at Glstonbury again

Date: 2010-11-02 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eremite.livejournal.com
I'm another sign-up for a Midsummer Night's Bash :)

Date: 2010-11-01 06:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] owlfish
I fill my "UK Thanksgiving" niche at Christmas, but that's because I mostly think of Thanksgiving as "big meal with roast turkey and lots of roast vegetables and dessert and hours of collapse afterward thanks to eating too much". Which is what C.'s family does here at Christmas.

Of course, I also celebrate US and Canadian Thanksgiving because it's a good meal, especially when spaced out at 4-6 week intervals for recovery time.
Edited Date: 2010-11-01 06:34 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-11-02 09:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whotheheckami.livejournal.com
Plenty of scope for more Turkey-days

Date: 2010-11-01 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alterred.livejournal.com
Do we need it to be sanctioned for those would would like it to do so?

We celebrate a whole host of Feast Days that the UK (nor any other particular nation, for that matter) is likely oblivious to, but to us and the people we celebrate them with they are very big deals. :)

Date: 2010-11-02 09:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whotheheckami.livejournal.com
No, we don't need sanctions, but the UK is considering another two bank holidays a year to bring us towards the EU average and various bollocks has been spouted about having one on Trafalgar Day or St George's Day. I;ve long felt that there should be a holiday between August and Christmas and a Harvest/Thanksgiving event is more acceptable to me than Remembrance Day/Veterans's Day.

Date: 2010-11-01 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frostfox.livejournal.com
Given how top heavy Christmas celebrations have become, I would love a holiday for Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter, each given equal weight. Secular and open to all.

FF

Date: 2010-11-02 09:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whotheheckami.livejournal.com
That would work, but the UK seems to have too many holidays when the weather conspires to make the celebration a huddle inside sort of affair

Date: 2010-11-02 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kissmeforlonger.livejournal.com
Yes - those May and August bank holidays are always miserable :-P

Date: 2010-11-02 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kissmeforlonger.livejournal.com
I'll always think of Thanksgiving as American and hence 'not ours'. It's miles too late for Harvest Festival then anyway.

It would be good to celebrate the solstices properly, and maybe the equinoxes too.
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